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Scammer: The comprehensive timeline

Decided to take a scroll stroll through CC's Instagram, and I've compiled with dates what I think is the complete timeline for Scammer. I think I might be missing a few things, as CC does tend to delete posts and edit captions, and these screenshots of the grid are all from today (8/9/2020). Please add on images in the comments of anything you have saved that I may have missed and what dates those occurred at! I've also specified where each image has come from (the imgur album should be in order), so it will say next to the update if she posted in on the grid (shorthand= BG). I skimmed all her captions since December for any scammer mention, so if it's not included, no other update exists (currently.) Links to individual images are posted as "X" next to the description.
I will continue to update ths post until Scammer has been finalized and received by customers.
The full receipt gallery: Receipt-Imgur
The Scammer Timeline:
12/17/2019: Caroline has AWWL listed on her site as coming soon. Scammer is not yet conceptualized- website X
12/18/2019: Caroline talks about publishing something and is worried that no one will read it-BG X
12/23/2019: Caroline announces a “small book” that will self-publish in January-BG X
12/29/2019: Posts first scammer cover and announced the presale will start on Jan 15th, i.e. the scammiversary-BG X
12/31/2019: There will be two separate books, AWWL and Scammer. Scammer will cover all of 2019.- BG X
1/7/2020: Caroline announces she will stay in Sarasota until she finishes scammer. It is unclear what day she returned to NYC-BG X
1/14/2020: Announces preorders for Scammer will start tomorrow-BG X
1/15/2020: Carolinecalloway.com launches and preorders officially open, with the infamous cover reveal coming soon-BG X
1/15/2020: Caroline gets press coverage about scammer, from sites like Buzzfeed, Nylon, and Guardian. None of the press gets an excerpt or review copy of the text.-BG (Nylon) (Paper) (Dazed) (Buzzfeed) (Guardian)
1/18/2020: Scammer is now available for international preorder-BG X
1/21/2020: Announces scammer will only be sold as preorders, and not carried in any store.-BG X
1/27/2020: All orders of scammer will be signed with a “love note” from caroline.-BG X
1/29/2020: Claims again that all copies of scammer will come with handwritten notes-BG X
1/29/2020: Claims AWWL is still under contract with Flatiron, and is a different manuscript than Scammer-BG X
1/31/2020: Announces first “giveaway” of a free special edition BB if you purchase 4 copies of scammer.-BG X
2/14/2020: a buzzfeed article is published in which Caroline claims Scammer would be out "as late as April" but will probably be out sooner. (Buzzfeed Pt. 2)
2/23/2020: Seven days until preorders for Scammer end “forever” -BG X
2/23/2020: Typos are my brand hats are announced as included with the purchase of two copies of scammer. Caroline claims that they will not be for sale but are an exclusive gift with scammer. -BG X
2/23/2020: Caroline posts the lonely boy zines hardcover for scammer. She does not offer any corrections/answers in the comments of people asking if this is the actual printed manuscript, implying by omission it is.-BG X
2/24/2020: Cancels Sarasota trip to edit the scammer manuscript in New York instead. Claims it will take 1 week. -BG X
2/24/2020: Announces that if you buy 3 copies of scammer, you will receive a mantra card (separate from the handwritten notes included in all copies, regardless of quantity ordered). Also announces that the free gifts stack, i.e. if you order 4 copies, you get the hat, card and BB. -BG X
2/28/2020: The first order of Scammer sold out (???) and it is now up for restock- BG X
3/1/2020: “today is the last day you can buy scammer” -BGX
3/2/2020: extends preorder deadline to today. Claims she will travel to NYC in March to sign the copies, and will ship “ON TIME” in early April.-BGX
3/11/2020: updated added to the website that preorders of scammer will end on 2/26/2019 and the book will ship in spring 2020, tentatively on 4/1/2020. - website.X
3/19/2020: Posts cover reveal of scammer, which is the same as the previous cover art posted. Claims book is copy edited and ready to go, but the printers are closed. This is the first BG announcement of refunds being available by emailing Ari. Claims all preorders have finally closed, 17 days after her initially announcing preorders are closed. -BG X
3/22/2020: Adam (her manager) emails a snarker back who sent an inquiry about purchasing Scammer after the preorder date ended. Adam responds that it is too late and that the order has already been sent to the printer. X 4/1/2020 (exact date unclear): Posts announcement on her website that she is combining scammer and IAMCC into one manuscript. IAMCC will be free if you have paid for scammer and is only available online. -websiteX
6/1/2020: Takes a break from scammer because of BLM?-story post X
6/8/2020: “Scammer is shipping later this month.” Caroline is no longer signing the book copies, and instead is switching to the “sticker fortune cookies”. Still claims all copies will come with something with her signature on.-BG X
6/24/2020: confirms in comment thread on a grid post that she is still planning on shipping Scammer by the end of the month. This has since been deleted and is no longer on her account. (Citation needed)
6/28/2020: Finished signing all the stickers. Says that the shipping journey will begin tomorrow, again does not clarify to the questions in the comments about what is shipping, the stickers or the book itself- BG X
7/1/2020: Caroline makes Cathy drive her to the post office in an adult fairy costume…No mention in the comments what she actually shipped, with the caption deliberately ambiguous.- BG X
7/3/2020: Caroline posts asking for a copy editor for her IAMCC essay, it is unclear if Scammer is also getting copy edited.-Story post X
7/6/2020: Announces that this is the final week to change your address or cancel your order by emailing Brigid before the 10th. -BG X
7/11/2020: Claims extra stickers are available if you still want to preorder Scammer, and still has the preorder option available on her website. -Story post X
7/20/2020: Updated on the website that the book is “estimated to ship August 31st”. Refunds are still advertised. No mention of this on her Instagram. -website X
7/21/2020: Typos are my brand hats are available to purchase on her site, despite claims that they are an exclusive gift for scammer. The first customer photo of just the hat is posted. -Story X
8/2/2020: Posts that scammer is getting “extra material”. Advertises that preorders are still available -story X
8/8/2020: Makes video claiming she is "reworking" Scammer, because she wants to make it about 2020, and not a tell all of her scam workshops, father’s passing, and the cut article. She claims a genre pivot. -BG X
(Notable missing item -- her commenting that it "will for sure ship at the end of the month" as a reply to someone on a grid post. I remember seeing it, but cannot for the life of me find it in her posts/as a screenshot)
EDITED from original posting: additions to the timeline after August 10th
8/20/2020: Caroline posts the official CC calendar of dates. A date for the release of scammer is notably absent, though the caption says "something big" is coming September 10th. There is speculation in the posts comments that this is scammers official release date, and caroline does not respond to any. Website still has the 31st estimated ship date posted.- BG X
8/21/2020: Caroline finally replies to a comment asking when scammer will arrive with "it's coming. Ask Brigid if you want a refund." She does not give any solid date or time, with 10 days to the alleged ship date.-BG X
8/22/2020: Caroline posts a Cambridge memory on her story about being part of a hunt club, and plugs that you should buy scammer because of the stories. Previously, she has claimed all Cambridge stories are part of AAWL, and she was adamant that they were going to be two separate books. In the next slide, she links the pre-order page for scammer, which is still open and accepting orders, 9 days until they are supposedly shipping. -story X
8/23/2020: someone comments and asks if there is a blurb they can read for scammer to see what its about. Caroline replies "no, its a gamble", despite her website claiming IACC ( which is back behind a paywall) would be included in scammer. X
8/29/20: After radio silence for ~4 days from Caroline, Brigid posts on Caroline's account for her, claiming she is very busy writing in preparation for the 31st.- story X
8/31/2020: Caroline does not post anything on instagram, big grid or stories, but is still active deleting comments. Scammer is still available to preorder.
9/2/2020: the first article has been posted asking "where is scammer?" has been posted by an Australian media site. So far there is no coverage from larger sites. * Article updated at the end of September(Mama Mia)
9/3/2020: Brigid replies to a direct mesaage asking for an update with the claim that it will ship sometime next week, and Caroline will "probably" give an update soon. Caroline is still MIA.-DM X
9/4/2020: Caroline returns the internet with a Scammer update in the form of 14 minute video. She claims the delays to scammer occurred after finding out her mother's cancer has returned in early August. The new anticipated ship date is Septemebr 17th, and she's changing the dedication to honor her mother now instead.-BG X X
9/17/2020: Caroline makes no mention of Scammer and does not respond to any comments about it shipping, but does post a bunch of tiktoks, a YouTube video, and multiple portraits of herself.
9/18/2020: Caroline posts an email screenshot she sent to her team, saying she was not going to get any work done today, sent at ~11 pm. The subject of the email is copy editing, implying the work she is not doing is editing Scammer, 1 day after its has already "shipped"-BG X
9/23/2020: Caroline posts a screenshot of a word document, claiming the page pictured will be an exclusive title page for the first edition printing, and will not be in subsequent print runs. This directly contradicts her claims that there will only be one printing and you must preorder it to recieve a copy or miss out on it "forever". The page makes a joke aboit how only a crazy person would have hung along through all the delays without getting a refund. She posts to her story claiming she is writing today, 6 days after the new new new ship date. -BG + storyX
9/25/2020: Caroline posts two stories about "limping" through the end of writting Scammer. In the second photo, she does not blur out the page count and it has 358 as the page total.-Story X
10/1/2020: Caroline posts a video about dreamer bbs, where she screenrecords her site. Scammer is still available for pre-order, but she scrolls by without acknowledgment.-story X
10/6/2020: at 4am after drinkingX, Caroline posts a grid post with the title for the first chapter of Scammer. The title is "I was Caroline Gotschall" and she's tagged 5 locations that go with the chapter. She accompanies these locations with stock images+ a photo of her father's house and calls it a chapter lookbook/preview. She also posts the opening line for the book, "When the curtain comes up, everything is a mess." which is directly plagiarizing the opening line of her annotated SCHOOL GIRL chapters, which she has previously sold for $4.99 a chapter. In a separate grid post, she posts a text conversation with an unknown person, asking if they've edited work she's sent them.-BG +story+ etsy pages X
10/8/2020: Caroline makes a post about Rowing Blazers and makes a joke in the caption about how she "makes books never" and then says kidding and that it's "almost here"-BG X
10/8/2020: Caroline posts a "lookbook" for Chapter 5 and titles it The Cantabrigian Princess, with the opening line "Put Cantabrigian Princess on my tombstone." This lookbook includes more stock photos of England and a book cover she photoshopped of Oscar Wilde. Caroline responds to a fan comment about Flatiron owning the rights to her Cambridge years with " A lot has changed this year".-BG+story X
10/8/2020: Caroline makes a long post about how she was unable to make the "revised" ship date of August 31st because of her Mom's cancer diagnosis. She asks that you request a refund with Brigid if you are impatient, and does not give any hard deadlines, again using the caretaking as a reason. She claims the original plan was to make Scammer 140 pages, but now it will be 350ish (microsoft word pages) once she "limps through the end of 2020". She says she plans to release more titles and lookbooks through out the next few weeks, and that her first book "will come very soon".-BG X
10/8/2020: Caroline posts the chapter 6 lookbook, which is another Cambridge chapter titled Hogwarts High Baroque. It again is a collection of stock images and screenshots from the Harry Potter movies. She posts the opening two "paragraphs", which are lines pulled directly from her I Am CC essay part 1, an old Instagram caption from 2019, and Prozac Nation.-BG +storyX
10/9/2020: Caroline posts a photo of her laptop with the screen blurred. At the top, you can see the document is titled Scammer Final. The only words you can see in the document itself are the ones she's already posted on her Instagram, and she has control-F up for "drug dealer". Caroline responds to a fan comment questioning the timeline that Scammer was at the printers in March. Caroline confirms she turned scammer into IAMCC at that time instead for her covid fundraiser, despite being adamant that they were two separate manuscripts. She also claims shes been working slowly on it when she hasn't been too busy caring for her mom, despite tbe fact that IAMCC stopped updating in May and Caroline not taking over caretaker duties until late September.-Story X
10/11/2020: Caroline posts her chapter 9 preview, which is titled "On Suicide". This chapter is about her father's passing, and the lookbook is images of his house, a selfie of Caroline, and his autopsy report. The excerpt is verbatim her opening paragraph from IAMCC part 2.5.-BG X
10/11/2020: Caroline posts her chapter 13 lookbook, titled "La La Sand." The images are from her trip to LA to meet with talent agents and be zany and sexual in the desert, as well as when she crashed a tailgate at Yale. The writing preview is one sentence pulled from a previous caption.-BG X
10/15/2020: Caroline posts a series of stories about how she thinks Scammer will be the next American Psycho. She advertises that you can still pre-order Scammer or request a refund from Brigid. She also says it will "arrive at your doorstep when it's ready", giving no new shipping estimate besides... Eventually?-StoryX
10/21/2020: after going off the grid for a few days, Caroline returns to announce her newest lover and makes a snide remark about how her book is late, and then promptly goes off grid again-BG X
10/23/2020: Caroline posts three paragraphs of writing, claiming it is "her most beautiful prose yet", and also claims her new ~lover~ is the new Natalie. It is unclear if that means that lover is editing/writing with her like OG Nataile did, or if they are just her new muse. Regardless, the words are a bit jumbled, but do not appear to have been plagerized from herself, which makes this the first original writing excerpt from Scammer .-BG X
10/27/2020: Caroline posts a series of stories at 1 am about writing. She captions it about drinking and taking her antidepressants at the same time is the only way to write, with multiple hard seltzer cans, a beer can, and wine bottle visible in the images. She also posts three books with annotations: Educated by Tara Westover, The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath, and Oxford: the Last Hurrah by Daffyd Jones. People have noted the writing excerpt posted on 10/23 sounded similar to Plath's style and word choices. She tags her manager in one photo asking if he can get her a role on a reality show as a reward for finishing Scammer eventually.-Stories X
11/8/2020: Caroline announces she's finally ready to write scammer, and that it will now be between 400-450 pages. Because she is upping the length, and since the quality "is better than ever", she is also going to increase the price, claiming this has to happen due to shipping costs for a heavier book. You can still purchase Scammer for $25 as of right now, and she posted two different swipe up links. She does not say what the new price will be, nor give any estimated shipping date.-BG + stories X
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/r/atheism - "Jehovah's Witness Church Forced a 15 Year Old to Listen to an Audio Recording of Her Rape to Force a Confession of Premarital Sex So They Could Blame Her For It"

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Submission Jehovah's Witness Church Forced a 15 Year Old to Listen to an Audio Recording of Her Rape to Force a Confession of Premarital Sex So They Could Blame Her For It
Comments Jehovah's Witness Church Forced a 15 Year Old to Listen to an Audio Recording of Her Rape to Force a Confession of Premarital Sex So They Could Blame Her For It
Author dutchiesRweird
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Posted On Tue Nov 10 13:06:16 UTC 2020
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Author Macabre223
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:24:23 UTC 2020
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This is all i could really find of the topic. But please don’t take me as the basis for all christian i am definitely out there and in perfect. Just wanted to share my experience. Have a good day
https://wol.`jw.org`/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003087#h=1:0-11:125
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Author dutchiesRweird
Posted On Tue Nov 10 19:06:29 UTC 2020
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Yep. The JW’s did an incredible job of cultivating the PR that they’re kooky but also a “good” and “innocent” sect instead of the authoritarian cult that they actually are. For people unfamiliar with how badJWs actually are this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Author ailovelamp
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Here’s a very informative (and heartbreaking) article from the Atlantic about it:
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-`jehovahs-witness`-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
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Author dutchiesRweird
Posted On Tue Nov 10 14:00:20 UTC 2020
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Not every state has laws that clergy have to report a crime.JW's have over the years fought these laws tooth and nail or ignored them outright knowing governments won't undergo the long legal case and headache from the "freedom of religion defense". In all cases of sexual assault JW leadership has been told to first contact the church's legal department first and not the police.
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Author hitsugan
Posted On Wed Nov 11 11:54:40 UTC 2020
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window washer
It's easy to spot an exjw in the wild when you know what to look for.
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Author qanonsfake
Posted On Wed Nov 11 08:37:12 UTC 2020
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Fuck Jehovah's Witnesses
-Ex JW.
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Author decs483
Posted On Wed Nov 11 04:54:44 UTC 2020
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Jehovah's Witness is more like a cult than a religion, same with Mormonism
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Author Sharp_Iodine
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But wait, who raped her and why isn't he being blamed for having sex with a 15 year old minor girl???
The man recorded his assault on the little girl and yet did no one ask him why he even slept with a minor?! Are Jehovah's witnesses so degenerate and arrogant that they can do such a thing and think they are above common law?
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Author CatNamedEaster
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:36:30 UTC 2020
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Thank you for that.
Do understand, though, that many women have been disfellowshipped because they were questioned by three men without any understanding of human behavior who judged that the women could have done more to prevent someone else's criminal actions.
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Author CatNamedEaster
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:20:18 UTC 2020
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Yes, but: 1)JWs teach that God nailed the Mosaic Law to the torture stake [Col 2:14], and 2) the last quote in my post shows that it's not only dangerous but unreasonable to demand a woman to try to fight/ scream to scare off her abuser.
There is a lot of evidence to show that a women tend to freeze when being attacked, yet the Mosaic Law says she should be stoned to death if the rape occurred in a city and she did not scream. Makes you think.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Wed Nov 11 04:16:31 UTC 2020
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Great ideas!
I wrote to our last senator but no response or interest. Maybe this time around with a new one it’ll be better. The news stations and local papers didn’t respond either. I even wrote to our local library because I knewJWs meet their studies there. Every time I see a JW pamphlet on grocery store bulletin boards I write JWFACTS.com on it. I’ve been unwitnessing to my coworkers who are supportive and also say they will help spread the truth about the truth. I will not give up.
But it’s discouraging hearing my PIMI husband defending them and attacking me for even asking questions or being critical.
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Author dutchiesRweird
Posted On Tue Nov 10 13:36:22 UTC 2020
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She was being sexually assaulted so recorded one of the rapes as evidencethe rapist recorded hoping he could prove it wasn’t rape it was happening.JW's have a rule that you have to have two witnesses in order for an allegation to be taken seriously. That means unless there is overwhelming evidence of let's say child sexual abuse, if it's only the child making the claim and no one else has witnessed it the abuser will be left off the hook.
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Author farmgoat86
Posted On Wed Nov 11 01:32:00 UTC 2020
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As a former jehovah Witnesses the answer is yes
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Author Nakerin
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:31:31 UTC 2020
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The perpetrator did it so the victim could be expelled.
Why? Because they are heavily Biblical when they want, so a victim of rape girl is the culprit. JWs(the religion) is so fucked up you can't grasp it.
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Author Fuzzy-mornin-teeth
Posted On Tue Nov 10 22:32:40 UTC 2020
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JW love to cherry pick, just like every other religion out there. For every scripture they use to justify whatever damaging policy they have, exjws can find one to contradict it, but the bible is soooooo consistent. 🙄
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Wed Nov 11 03:34:25 UTC 2020
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Which watchtower issue? The elders book, Shepherd the Flock of God outlines the two witness rule in the case of rape. One of the recent watchtower studies stated that the victim should sympathize with the rapist.
If you ask an elder directly about the policy they will lie to your face, even if it’s your own father. Read the elders manual. Those are the rules they must follow. They are taught to use theocratic warfare to obfuscate their true protocols.
Check out JWFACTS.com It’s well researched and doesn’t twist any facts. It uses direct passages from the watchtower publications.
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Author CatNamedEaster
Posted On Tue Nov 10 20:21:10 UTC 2020
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A few other thoughts Watchtower has on the subject:
"Treat Him Respectfully – The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behavior. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly as a fellow human." Awake! 1984 Feb 22 p.24
"Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation. The Christian woman who wants to keep clean and obey God's commandments, then, if faced with this situation today, needs to be courageous and to act on the suggestion made by the Scriptures and scream. Actually this counsel is for her welfare; for, if she should submit to the man's passionate wishes, she would not only be consenting to fornication or adultery, but be plagued by the shame." Watchtower 1964 Jan 15 pp.63-4
"Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned." Awake! 1974 Mar 8 pp.13-16
"A Christian woman is under obligation to resist, for the issue of obedience to God's law to "flee from fornication" is involved. (1 Cor. 6:18) By no means would it be proper for her willingly to submit to being raped." Watchtower 1980 Oct 15 p.7
"Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment: ... Your conscience will be clear. (Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God)" Awake! 1986 May 22 p.23
“The primary reaction of almost all women to the rape was fear.” And the problem is that such fear can be paralyzing. ... "I was overwhelmingly confused and defenseless against the whole suddenness." . . . Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless." Awake! 1980 Jul 8 pp.5-6
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Read the Shepherd the Book, "Brother", that's the elder's instruction manual. It has full details of what to do.
If they are not cult, why hide the rules of what gets you and doesn't get you disfellowshipped as apostasy?
Why are older publications apostasy, brother?
Why is it apostasy learning that Charles Taze Russel got the 1914 thing from counting the geometrics of the Pyramids of Keops, made entirely with pagan purposes, and that Jerusalem didn't fall in the 600s but in the 500bC?
Can't you tell? Or why Jehovah had Asherah as his wife?
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Author 7_Percent_Freckles
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If you look atJW's and the Australian Royal Commission it may give you a better overview of the situation.
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Author Ill-Palpitation6287
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Born and raised over 40yrs in the org. Seriously? Have you ever heard from the podium even once that if you are a victim of sexual assault that you should call the police immediately? Have you ever seen it in a JW video? How about the GB? Have you ever heard them say go directly to the police? No! They say go to the Elders. Then in the super secret elder book, Elders are directed to NOT call the police (you can verify this im sure your dad has a copy). Instead they are told to call the branch office and THE BRANCH OFFICE (probably miles and miles away) will decide if the Elders should call the police or not. And as far as the victims go. They are told that yes they can go to the police if they choose but, it may bring reproach on Jehovahs name. Now let's be honest who wants to be that person? Nevermind that they are the innocent party. They are told that they would be doing wrong by going to the police. I know this first hand. I think its great that your dad is protecting you by telling you to go to the police. Does he tell everyone in the congregation to go to the police or just you?
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Author ziddina
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Adding this bit of information from the 1980's - 1990's Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's telememo reporting form used at their headquarters whenever an elder (congregation middle management) called in with a report of a child being sexually molested.
Page 2 of the Watchtower Society's telememo reporting form for the gathering of information from phone calls about child - CHILD sexual molestation has a hell of a doozy of a question - Question Number Nine - that exposes the Watchtower Society's real attitude towards child victims:
https://www.jwfacts.com/images/child-abuse-telememo-1993-p3.jpeg
How many elders felt that the victim was somewhat at fault or willingly participated in the acts?
THAT is the attitude the Watchtower has towards CHILD molestation victims!
Just like a criminal sexual predator would try to plead off! "But he/she seduced me! But he/she enjoyed it!"
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Author VisionsOfTheMind
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So, I can walk up to a JW, stab them with a syringe full of blood, and force them to be excommunicated and punished for receiving a forced blood transfusion against their will right? By this logic it makes perfect sense to me.
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Author Fuzzy-mornin-teeth
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Wanna know the fucked up part? After the Australian Royal Commission, the numbers were crunched and it was found that a child is at more risk as a jw than a catholic. Catholics outnumber jws there, but jws had more victims and perpetrators.
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Author RobotConvert
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other info aboutJWs
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are instructed to not read or watch anything that isn’t approved by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
Wt, 6/1/1967, pg 338,
"...in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing."
[Tony Morris (2015 Annual Meeting)]Jehovah’s Witness Governing Body Member Tony Morris III telling Jehovah’s Witnesses to only stick with what they have approved.
here’s some info:
[JWFacts](http://jwfacts.com) is a great site that brings up the history and information of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
YouTube has many formerJWs also:
exJW Critical Thinker
exJW Analyzer
John Ceders (aka: Lloyd Evens)
StopTheShunning
Child rape/molestation/abuse info:
Below are links and short understanding of what the links are.
Australian Royal Commission Case Study 29: Jehovah’s Witnesses Jehovah’s Witnesses were not the only group that was investigated. See the main page to see other religious and non-religious groups who come in contact with children who were also investigated.
See page 58 of the PDF of case study 29 for the information on the 1,006 alleged perpetrators. You may also use the key word “1,006” in your search bar as well.
Video of Case Study 29
Shepherding the Flock of God book is for elders and those who are allowed to have this book. The rank and file and women aren’t allowed to have this book. This Letter for the Body of Elders concerning binding the elders book was sent from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society as there was a lapse in elders allowing others to see this book, even just for binding it.
This is the latest Shepherding the Flock of God 2019 Edition. It wasn’t released at the time of the ARC, but it was leaked February 2019 and may be informative in what changes there are into comparison to the one released during the ARC.
Shepherding the Flock of God (April 2020 Edition)
Deeper into the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, the Branch Organization 2018 is a internal document that even local elders may not see.
Here’s the latest Watchtower Magazine Study Edition (May 2019). The link provided is the official link used by The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses. See the article “Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness” on child abuse. This article was studied by Jehovah’s Witnesses between July 1 to August 4, 2019.
Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning policy.
Watchtower Bible & Tract Societyown lawyer saying that disfellowshipping doesn’t break up families.
Longer video here.
Here’s a video (2:30 minute mark) at a annual meeting where a shunning video was released iirc.
So what the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their leaders at the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society are doing is saying publicly that shunning doesn’t break up families, but internally amongst the group it really does. It is used as a way to keep control.

No matter what false teachers say, we will not follow them! We have no reason to listen to people who are like wells with no water. Those who listen to them will be disappointed. We are determined to be loyal to Jehovah and to his organization. This organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God’s Word. — Isaiah 55:1-3; Matthew 24:45 Watchtower 2011 July 15 p.12 para. 8 Simplified Ed.
(note: Any links to faith leaks have been removed. Try using https://archive.org/web/ Way-Back to check for these.
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Author dutchiesRweird
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Please take your apologist bullshit and fuck right off back to the Kingdom Hall.
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Author FlyingSquid
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Some are more dangerous than others, especially to children. AndJWs can literally kill their own children by refusing to give them blood transfusions.
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Author ziddina
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Jehovah's Witnesses discourage victims from coming forward about being sexually molested as children:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42025255
... Louise Palmer, who now lives in Evesham, Worcestershire, was born into the organisation along with her brother Richard Davenport, who started raping her when she was four. He is serving a 10-year prison sentence for the abuse.
The 41-year-old, formerly of Halesowen, West Midlands, said she was told not to go to police.
"I asked [the organisation], 'what should I do? Do you report it to the police, [or] do I report it to the police'?
"And their words were that they strongly advised me not to go to the police because it would bring reproach on Jehovah."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ma25/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-silencing-victims-of-child-abuse-uk
At least 20 former Jehovah's Witnesses are suing the group over historical sexual abuse they say they suffered.
The group has a policy of not punishing alleged child sex abuse unless a second person, alongside the accuser, has witnessed it - or an abuser confesses...
John Viney, who says he was abused between the ages of nine and 13, by "a distant family member who was an active Jehovah's Witness", added children were still being abused and the religious organisation was "inadvertently" protecting their abusers.
"The way that Jehovah's Witnesses handle matters within the congregation, it's a closed shop," he told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.
"I know for a fact now that there are parents that haven't done anything about the abuse of their children by others because they don't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name."
The Jehovah's Witnesses' corporate spiritual leaders, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (and numerous subsidiary corporations) have known about the problem for decades. They allegedly have an extensive collection of files of known, confessed, and accused sexual molesters of children which the Watchtower (Bible and Tract Society) has consistently refused to hand over to courts or other law-enforcement authorities:
About the admitted database: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
In March 1997, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the nonprofit organization that oversees the Jehovah’s Witnesses, sent a letter to each of its 10,883 U.S. congregations, and to many more congregations worldwide. The organization was concerned about the legal risk posed by possible child molesters within its ranks. ....
Keep a copy of the report in your congregation’s confidential file, the instructions continued, and do not share it with anyone.
Thus did the Jehovah’s Witnesses build what might be the world’s largest database of undocumented child molesters: at least two decades’ worth of names and addresses—likely numbering in the tens of thousands—and detailed acts of alleged abuse, most of which have never been shared with law enforcement, all scanned and searchable in a Microsoft SharePoint file. In recent decades, much of the world’s attention to allegations of abuse has focused on the Catholic Church and other religious groups. Less notice has been paid to the abuse among the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a Christian sect with more than 8.5 million members. Yet all this time, Watchtower has refused to comply with multiple court orders to release the information contained in its database and has paid millions of dollars over the years to keep it secret, even from the survivors whose stories are contained within.
Watchtower is so determined to keep the information in their database secret that they were willing to pay over $4 million dollars in legal fines for defying the State of California's requests (subpoenas) to obtain information on such criminals within California Jehovah's Witness (JW) congregations. The Watchtower even had the unmitigated gall to attempt to have the U.S. Supreme Court rule to reverse the original judgment and damages awarded. The Supreme Court rejected the Watchtower's appeal: https://apnews.com/press-release/pr-pr.com/c725a14c86359d1d53b930f9bad04d3d
In the case of JW v. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. et. al., the Riverside Superior Court of California awarded the Plaintiff, “J.W.,” a judgment of $4,016,152.39 plus interest at 10% per year after terminating Watchtower’s defense, because it refused to obey the Court’s order to produce files of known child molesters within the JW organization. In 2018, the Fourth District Court of Appeal in California upheld that decision. The U.S. Supreme Court’s rejection of Watchtower’s Petition (essentially a request for an appeal) lets stand the original judgement and damages granted by the lower court.
The Two-Witness rule:
https://medium.com/@wesharetoinspire/questioning-humanity-the-jehovahs-witnesses-two-witness-rule-ed3b2f5aa6a1
The ‘two witness-rule’ implies that when there aren’t two witnesses to a crime such as sexual abuse one will not act appropriately by not immediately calling the authorities.
If there aren’t two witnesses to a crime the matter should be resolved by Jehovah, according to the Jehovah’s witnesses. Here Jehovah is the name for God. Even though the community claims they urge victims to report the crime and that they do not protect child molesters; unfortunately reality tells us otherwise. Recently, during a major trial in Australia the following was revealed:
“It also examined evidence from case files held by the organisation which recorded allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse by 1,006 members of the organisation.
The Royal Commission found children are not adequately protected from the risk of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witness organisation and does not believe the organisation responds adequately to allegations of child sexual abuse.” Source: https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses
A protest was held at the gates of the Watchtower headquarters/compound in Warwick, New York, by ex-members, over the horrors of the two-witness rule in cases of sexual predators preying upon children within the JW congregations.
Within a week or two of that protest, Watchtower reinforced their commitment to that insanely cruel two-witness rule:
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-double-down-on-scripture-used-to-ignore-abuse/
What should Jehovah’s Witnesses do if they think someone they know has sexually abused a child, but no one was there to see it?
Nothing.
So say leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who instruct elders not to take action against a member of the religion accused of child sexual abuse without a confession or at least two witnesses to the crime.
That policy is based on Scripture, according to the religion’s top officials.
The vast majority of sexual predators abuse their victims in secret, with no witnesses present. And even though Jehovah’s Witnesses are under pressure worldwide for covering up child sexual abuse, a senior official says scrapping the policy isn’t up for discussion.
“We will never change our Scriptural position on that subject,” said Gary Breaux, a senior official at the religion’s global headquarters in New York, known as the Watchtower.
Breaux made the statement this month on JW Broadcasting – the religion’s official internet video channel.
“Our good reasoning is pretty solid on this,” he said. ...
The Australian Royal Commission's Case Number 29 and Case Number 54 are interesting reads for anyone interested in further information:
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-54-institutional-review-jehovahs-witnesses
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
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They have a secret database of child molesters
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Author cdlajob
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Being raped against her will is not a judicial committee involvement. However, someone that claims they were raped to hide that they had sex is. Some crazy kids today might and have recorded sex with a partner. If that tape was played back and she wasn't being rapped but had consentual sex, she can be removed or disfellowshipped from the organization. It's on the same scale as these that film you doing athletic feats while claiming a workman's comp claim and being shown as a fraud. Big picture is needed to understand when a Jehovah's Witness is expelled from the organization. The only side you are going to hear is the one that got expelled, not from the Elders that were part of the judicial committee. Those records are sealed, especially if the person is under 18 years of age.
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Author ziddina
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If you're in the USA, you might email all of your representatives, once the dust settles from this election.
If you have a neighborhood club, get-together, HOA's, you might bring it up as a public-service announcement. Since theJWs allow sexual predators to prey upon children within their own kingdom halls, one might be deeply concerned about their door-to-door preaching work. That smiling JW at the door (which a child just opened) might be an unregistered sexual predator who's received all of a symbolic slap on the wrist from his church leaders.
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Author Nakerin
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At least that, yet I am pretty sure he didn't gave a shit or he would have just the disfellowshipping equivalent of a wrist slap...
Wouldn't be the first time.
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Author Fuzzy-mornin-teeth
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It absolutely does matter in a court of law, it's part of their "religious practices". Look up Montana CSA Jehovah's witnesses and you will find just such a case. The elders (JW clergy) didn't report an allegation of CSA, despite mandatory reporting laws. They used the clergy/penitent privilege loophole, just like the Catholics do. So even with the recording, they weren't legally obligated to report it. (Lovely little religion, isn't it. /s)
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Author dm_me_kittens
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I understand what you're saying, but calling all religions "cults" undermines the damage real cults do to people's lives. I think you would be interested in looking into the BITE model. It is criteria for what is/isnt a cult, created by Stephen Hassan. He is a seasoned a therapist specializing in helping people out of cults and cult deprogramming. Some religions don't meet criteria for it while some non religious movements do. Many ex cult members on YouTube (Telltale Athiest [ex JW], Jimmy Snow [ex Mormon], Genetically Modified Athiest [ex fundamentalist Christian]) have used it to gauge certain movements/religions and how they rank in the world of cults. Fundie Fridays is really amazing too, as her channel mainly focuses on fundamentalist Christian familes/movements, and her videos are quite well researched.
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Author dutchiesRweird
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The rape was recorded by the perpetrator who was using it to "prove" it wasn't rape.
The girl was forced to listen to it because the elders view premarital sex as a sin, so they wanted her to confess she had sinned so they could discipline her for it.
Jehovah's Witnesses have a "two witness rule" that means that if you accuse someone of a sin there needs to be another witness to it. So in this case the guy would have had to admit to the rape to form two witnesses to the sin. This has led to a loophole where rapists and child molestors can get away with their crimes within the church.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
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Why isn’t this reported on the news? As an exJW this isn’t news to me but I wish mainstream news would report this and stories like this so people are aware of how toxic and dangerous this religion is.
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Author larchington
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He was disfellowshipped
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