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/r/atheism - "Jehovah's Witness Church Forced a 15 Year Old to Listen to an Audio Recording of Her Rape to Force a Confession of Premarital Sex So They Could Blame Her For It"

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Submission Jehovah's Witness Church Forced a 15 Year Old to Listen to an Audio Recording of Her Rape to Force a Confession of Premarital Sex So They Could Blame Her For It
Comments Jehovah's Witness Church Forced a 15 Year Old to Listen to an Audio Recording of Her Rape to Force a Confession of Premarital Sex So They Could Blame Her For It
Author dutchiesRweird
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Posted On Tue Nov 10 13:06:16 UTC 2020
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Author Macabre223
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This is all i could really find of the topic. But please don’t take me as the basis for all christian i am definitely out there and in perfect. Just wanted to share my experience. Have a good day
https://wol.`jw.org`/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003087#h=1:0-11:125
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Author dutchiesRweird
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Yep. The JW’s did an incredible job of cultivating the PR that they’re kooky but also a “good” and “innocent” sect instead of the authoritarian cult that they actually are. For people unfamiliar with how badJWs actually are this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Author ailovelamp
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Here’s a very informative (and heartbreaking) article from the Atlantic about it:
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-`jehovahs-witness`-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
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Author dutchiesRweird
Posted On Tue Nov 10 14:00:20 UTC 2020
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Not every state has laws that clergy have to report a crime.JW's have over the years fought these laws tooth and nail or ignored them outright knowing governments won't undergo the long legal case and headache from the "freedom of religion defense". In all cases of sexual assault JW leadership has been told to first contact the church's legal department first and not the police.
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Author hitsugan
Posted On Wed Nov 11 11:54:40 UTC 2020
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window washer
It's easy to spot an exjw in the wild when you know what to look for.
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Author qanonsfake
Posted On Wed Nov 11 08:37:12 UTC 2020
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Fuck Jehovah's Witnesses
-Ex JW.
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Author decs483
Posted On Wed Nov 11 04:54:44 UTC 2020
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Jehovah's Witness is more like a cult than a religion, same with Mormonism
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Author Sharp_Iodine
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But wait, who raped her and why isn't he being blamed for having sex with a 15 year old minor girl???
The man recorded his assault on the little girl and yet did no one ask him why he even slept with a minor?! Are Jehovah's witnesses so degenerate and arrogant that they can do such a thing and think they are above common law?
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Author CatNamedEaster
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:36:30 UTC 2020
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Thank you for that.
Do understand, though, that many women have been disfellowshipped because they were questioned by three men without any understanding of human behavior who judged that the women could have done more to prevent someone else's criminal actions.
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Author CatNamedEaster
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:20:18 UTC 2020
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Yes, but: 1)JWs teach that God nailed the Mosaic Law to the torture stake [Col 2:14], and 2) the last quote in my post shows that it's not only dangerous but unreasonable to demand a woman to try to fight/ scream to scare off her abuser.
There is a lot of evidence to show that a women tend to freeze when being attacked, yet the Mosaic Law says she should be stoned to death if the rape occurred in a city and she did not scream. Makes you think.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Wed Nov 11 04:16:31 UTC 2020
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Great ideas!
I wrote to our last senator but no response or interest. Maybe this time around with a new one it’ll be better. The news stations and local papers didn’t respond either. I even wrote to our local library because I knewJWs meet their studies there. Every time I see a JW pamphlet on grocery store bulletin boards I write JWFACTS.com on it. I’ve been unwitnessing to my coworkers who are supportive and also say they will help spread the truth about the truth. I will not give up.
But it’s discouraging hearing my PIMI husband defending them and attacking me for even asking questions or being critical.
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Author dutchiesRweird
Posted On Tue Nov 10 13:36:22 UTC 2020
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She was being sexually assaulted so recorded one of the rapes as evidencethe rapist recorded hoping he could prove it wasn’t rape it was happening.JW's have a rule that you have to have two witnesses in order for an allegation to be taken seriously. That means unless there is overwhelming evidence of let's say child sexual abuse, if it's only the child making the claim and no one else has witnessed it the abuser will be left off the hook.
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Author farmgoat86
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As a former jehovah Witnesses the answer is yes
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Author Nakerin
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:31:31 UTC 2020
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The perpetrator did it so the victim could be expelled.
Why? Because they are heavily Biblical when they want, so a victim of rape girl is the culprit. JWs(the religion) is so fucked up you can't grasp it.
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Author Fuzzy-mornin-teeth
Posted On Tue Nov 10 22:32:40 UTC 2020
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JW love to cherry pick, just like every other religion out there. For every scripture they use to justify whatever damaging policy they have, exjws can find one to contradict it, but the bible is soooooo consistent. 🙄
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
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Which watchtower issue? The elders book, Shepherd the Flock of God outlines the two witness rule in the case of rape. One of the recent watchtower studies stated that the victim should sympathize with the rapist.
If you ask an elder directly about the policy they will lie to your face, even if it’s your own father. Read the elders manual. Those are the rules they must follow. They are taught to use theocratic warfare to obfuscate their true protocols.
Check out JWFACTS.com It’s well researched and doesn’t twist any facts. It uses direct passages from the watchtower publications.
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Author CatNamedEaster
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A few other thoughts Watchtower has on the subject:
"Treat Him Respectfully – The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behavior. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly as a fellow human." Awake! 1984 Feb 22 p.24
"Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation. The Christian woman who wants to keep clean and obey God's commandments, then, if faced with this situation today, needs to be courageous and to act on the suggestion made by the Scriptures and scream. Actually this counsel is for her welfare; for, if she should submit to the man's passionate wishes, she would not only be consenting to fornication or adultery, but be plagued by the shame." Watchtower 1964 Jan 15 pp.63-4
"Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned." Awake! 1974 Mar 8 pp.13-16
"A Christian woman is under obligation to resist, for the issue of obedience to God's law to "flee from fornication" is involved. (1 Cor. 6:18) By no means would it be proper for her willingly to submit to being raped." Watchtower 1980 Oct 15 p.7
"Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment: ... Your conscience will be clear. (Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God)" Awake! 1986 May 22 p.23
“The primary reaction of almost all women to the rape was fear.” And the problem is that such fear can be paralyzing. ... "I was overwhelmingly confused and defenseless against the whole suddenness." . . . Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless." Awake! 1980 Jul 8 pp.5-6
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Author Nakerin
Posted On Tue Nov 10 23:39:07 UTC 2020
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Read the Shepherd the Book, "Brother", that's the elder's instruction manual. It has full details of what to do.
If they are not cult, why hide the rules of what gets you and doesn't get you disfellowshipped as apostasy?
Why are older publications apostasy, brother?
Why is it apostasy learning that Charles Taze Russel got the 1914 thing from counting the geometrics of the Pyramids of Keops, made entirely with pagan purposes, and that Jerusalem didn't fall in the 600s but in the 500bC?
Can't you tell? Or why Jehovah had Asherah as his wife?
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Author 7_Percent_Freckles
Posted On Wed Nov 11 07:20:13 UTC 2020
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If you look atJW's and the Australian Royal Commission it may give you a better overview of the situation.
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Author Ill-Palpitation6287
Posted On Wed Nov 11 00:45:27 UTC 2020
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Born and raised over 40yrs in the org. Seriously? Have you ever heard from the podium even once that if you are a victim of sexual assault that you should call the police immediately? Have you ever seen it in a JW video? How about the GB? Have you ever heard them say go directly to the police? No! They say go to the Elders. Then in the super secret elder book, Elders are directed to NOT call the police (you can verify this im sure your dad has a copy). Instead they are told to call the branch office and THE BRANCH OFFICE (probably miles and miles away) will decide if the Elders should call the police or not. And as far as the victims go. They are told that yes they can go to the police if they choose but, it may bring reproach on Jehovahs name. Now let's be honest who wants to be that person? Nevermind that they are the innocent party. They are told that they would be doing wrong by going to the police. I know this first hand. I think its great that your dad is protecting you by telling you to go to the police. Does he tell everyone in the congregation to go to the police or just you?
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Author ziddina
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Adding this bit of information from the 1980's - 1990's Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's telememo reporting form used at their headquarters whenever an elder (congregation middle management) called in with a report of a child being sexually molested.
Page 2 of the Watchtower Society's telememo reporting form for the gathering of information from phone calls about child - CHILD sexual molestation has a hell of a doozy of a question - Question Number Nine - that exposes the Watchtower Society's real attitude towards child victims:
https://www.jwfacts.com/images/child-abuse-telememo-1993-p3.jpeg
How many elders felt that the victim was somewhat at fault or willingly participated in the acts?
THAT is the attitude the Watchtower has towards CHILD molestation victims!
Just like a criminal sexual predator would try to plead off! "But he/she seduced me! But he/she enjoyed it!"
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Author VisionsOfTheMind
Posted On Wed Nov 11 08:19:54 UTC 2020
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So, I can walk up to a JW, stab them with a syringe full of blood, and force them to be excommunicated and punished for receiving a forced blood transfusion against their will right? By this logic it makes perfect sense to me.
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Author Fuzzy-mornin-teeth
Posted On Tue Nov 10 22:38:59 UTC 2020
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Wanna know the fucked up part? After the Australian Royal Commission, the numbers were crunched and it was found that a child is at more risk as a jw than a catholic. Catholics outnumber jws there, but jws had more victims and perpetrators.
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Author RobotConvert
Posted On Wed Nov 11 02:25:05 UTC 2020
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other info aboutJWs
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are instructed to not read or watch anything that isn’t approved by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
Wt, 6/1/1967, pg 338,
"...in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing."
[Tony Morris (2015 Annual Meeting)]Jehovah’s Witness Governing Body Member Tony Morris III telling Jehovah’s Witnesses to only stick with what they have approved.
here’s some info:
[JWFacts](http://jwfacts.com) is a great site that brings up the history and information of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
YouTube has many formerJWs also:
exJW Critical Thinker
exJW Analyzer
John Ceders (aka: Lloyd Evens)
StopTheShunning
Child rape/molestation/abuse info:
Below are links and short understanding of what the links are.
Australian Royal Commission Case Study 29: Jehovah’s Witnesses Jehovah’s Witnesses were not the only group that was investigated. See the main page to see other religious and non-religious groups who come in contact with children who were also investigated.
See page 58 of the PDF of case study 29 for the information on the 1,006 alleged perpetrators. You may also use the key word “1,006” in your search bar as well.
Video of Case Study 29
Shepherding the Flock of God book is for elders and those who are allowed to have this book. The rank and file and women aren’t allowed to have this book. This Letter for the Body of Elders concerning binding the elders book was sent from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society as there was a lapse in elders allowing others to see this book, even just for binding it.
This is the latest Shepherding the Flock of God 2019 Edition. It wasn’t released at the time of the ARC, but it was leaked February 2019 and may be informative in what changes there are into comparison to the one released during the ARC.
Shepherding the Flock of God (April 2020 Edition)
Deeper into the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, the Branch Organization 2018 is a internal document that even local elders may not see.
Here’s the latest Watchtower Magazine Study Edition (May 2019). The link provided is the official link used by The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses. See the article “Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness” on child abuse. This article was studied by Jehovah’s Witnesses between July 1 to August 4, 2019.
Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning policy.
Watchtower Bible & Tract Societyown lawyer saying that disfellowshipping doesn’t break up families.
Longer video here.
Here’s a video (2:30 minute mark) at a annual meeting where a shunning video was released iirc.
So what the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their leaders at the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society are doing is saying publicly that shunning doesn’t break up families, but internally amongst the group it really does. It is used as a way to keep control.

No matter what false teachers say, we will not follow them! We have no reason to listen to people who are like wells with no water. Those who listen to them will be disappointed. We are determined to be loyal to Jehovah and to his organization. This organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God’s Word. — Isaiah 55:1-3; Matthew 24:45 Watchtower 2011 July 15 p.12 para. 8 Simplified Ed.
(note: Any links to faith leaks have been removed. Try using https://archive.org/web/ Way-Back to check for these.
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Author dutchiesRweird
Posted On Wed Nov 11 19:15:10 UTC 2020
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Please take your apologist bullshit and fuck right off back to the Kingdom Hall.
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Author FlyingSquid
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Some are more dangerous than others, especially to children. AndJWs can literally kill their own children by refusing to give them blood transfusions.
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Author ziddina
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Jehovah's Witnesses discourage victims from coming forward about being sexually molested as children:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42025255
... Louise Palmer, who now lives in Evesham, Worcestershire, was born into the organisation along with her brother Richard Davenport, who started raping her when she was four. He is serving a 10-year prison sentence for the abuse.
The 41-year-old, formerly of Halesowen, West Midlands, said she was told not to go to police.
"I asked [the organisation], 'what should I do? Do you report it to the police, [or] do I report it to the police'?
"And their words were that they strongly advised me not to go to the police because it would bring reproach on Jehovah."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ma25/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-silencing-victims-of-child-abuse-uk
At least 20 former Jehovah's Witnesses are suing the group over historical sexual abuse they say they suffered.
The group has a policy of not punishing alleged child sex abuse unless a second person, alongside the accuser, has witnessed it - or an abuser confesses...
John Viney, who says he was abused between the ages of nine and 13, by "a distant family member who was an active Jehovah's Witness", added children were still being abused and the religious organisation was "inadvertently" protecting their abusers.
"The way that Jehovah's Witnesses handle matters within the congregation, it's a closed shop," he told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.
"I know for a fact now that there are parents that haven't done anything about the abuse of their children by others because they don't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name."
The Jehovah's Witnesses' corporate spiritual leaders, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (and numerous subsidiary corporations) have known about the problem for decades. They allegedly have an extensive collection of files of known, confessed, and accused sexual molesters of children which the Watchtower (Bible and Tract Society) has consistently refused to hand over to courts or other law-enforcement authorities:
About the admitted database: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-jehovahs-witness-database-of-child-molesters/584311/
In March 1997, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the nonprofit organization that oversees the Jehovah’s Witnesses, sent a letter to each of its 10,883 U.S. congregations, and to many more congregations worldwide. The organization was concerned about the legal risk posed by possible child molesters within its ranks. ....
Keep a copy of the report in your congregation’s confidential file, the instructions continued, and do not share it with anyone.
Thus did the Jehovah’s Witnesses build what might be the world’s largest database of undocumented child molesters: at least two decades’ worth of names and addresses—likely numbering in the tens of thousands—and detailed acts of alleged abuse, most of which have never been shared with law enforcement, all scanned and searchable in a Microsoft SharePoint file. In recent decades, much of the world’s attention to allegations of abuse has focused on the Catholic Church and other religious groups. Less notice has been paid to the abuse among the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a Christian sect with more than 8.5 million members. Yet all this time, Watchtower has refused to comply with multiple court orders to release the information contained in its database and has paid millions of dollars over the years to keep it secret, even from the survivors whose stories are contained within.
Watchtower is so determined to keep the information in their database secret that they were willing to pay over $4 million dollars in legal fines for defying the State of California's requests (subpoenas) to obtain information on such criminals within California Jehovah's Witness (JW) congregations. The Watchtower even had the unmitigated gall to attempt to have the U.S. Supreme Court rule to reverse the original judgment and damages awarded. The Supreme Court rejected the Watchtower's appeal: https://apnews.com/press-release/pr-pr.com/c725a14c86359d1d53b930f9bad04d3d
In the case of JW v. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. et. al., the Riverside Superior Court of California awarded the Plaintiff, “J.W.,” a judgment of $4,016,152.39 plus interest at 10% per year after terminating Watchtower’s defense, because it refused to obey the Court’s order to produce files of known child molesters within the JW organization. In 2018, the Fourth District Court of Appeal in California upheld that decision. The U.S. Supreme Court’s rejection of Watchtower’s Petition (essentially a request for an appeal) lets stand the original judgement and damages granted by the lower court.
The Two-Witness rule:
https://medium.com/@wesharetoinspire/questioning-humanity-the-jehovahs-witnesses-two-witness-rule-ed3b2f5aa6a1
The ‘two witness-rule’ implies that when there aren’t two witnesses to a crime such as sexual abuse one will not act appropriately by not immediately calling the authorities.
If there aren’t two witnesses to a crime the matter should be resolved by Jehovah, according to the Jehovah’s witnesses. Here Jehovah is the name for God. Even though the community claims they urge victims to report the crime and that they do not protect child molesters; unfortunately reality tells us otherwise. Recently, during a major trial in Australia the following was revealed:
“It also examined evidence from case files held by the organisation which recorded allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse by 1,006 members of the organisation.
The Royal Commission found children are not adequately protected from the risk of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witness organisation and does not believe the organisation responds adequately to allegations of child sexual abuse.” Source: https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses
A protest was held at the gates of the Watchtower headquarters/compound in Warwick, New York, by ex-members, over the horrors of the two-witness rule in cases of sexual predators preying upon children within the JW congregations.
Within a week or two of that protest, Watchtower reinforced their commitment to that insanely cruel two-witness rule:
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-double-down-on-scripture-used-to-ignore-abuse/
What should Jehovah’s Witnesses do if they think someone they know has sexually abused a child, but no one was there to see it?
Nothing.
So say leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who instruct elders not to take action against a member of the religion accused of child sexual abuse without a confession or at least two witnesses to the crime.
That policy is based on Scripture, according to the religion’s top officials.
The vast majority of sexual predators abuse their victims in secret, with no witnesses present. And even though Jehovah’s Witnesses are under pressure worldwide for covering up child sexual abuse, a senior official says scrapping the policy isn’t up for discussion.
“We will never change our Scriptural position on that subject,” said Gary Breaux, a senior official at the religion’s global headquarters in New York, known as the Watchtower.
Breaux made the statement this month on JW Broadcasting – the religion’s official internet video channel.
“Our good reasoning is pretty solid on this,” he said. ...
The Australian Royal Commission's Case Number 29 and Case Number 54 are interesting reads for anyone interested in further information:
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-54-institutional-review-jehovahs-witnesses
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
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They have a secret database of child molesters
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Author cdlajob
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Being raped against her will is not a judicial committee involvement. However, someone that claims they were raped to hide that they had sex is. Some crazy kids today might and have recorded sex with a partner. If that tape was played back and she wasn't being rapped but had consentual sex, she can be removed or disfellowshipped from the organization. It's on the same scale as these that film you doing athletic feats while claiming a workman's comp claim and being shown as a fraud. Big picture is needed to understand when a Jehovah's Witness is expelled from the organization. The only side you are going to hear is the one that got expelled, not from the Elders that were part of the judicial committee. Those records are sealed, especially if the person is under 18 years of age.
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Author ziddina
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If you're in the USA, you might email all of your representatives, once the dust settles from this election.
If you have a neighborhood club, get-together, HOA's, you might bring it up as a public-service announcement. Since theJWs allow sexual predators to prey upon children within their own kingdom halls, one might be deeply concerned about their door-to-door preaching work. That smiling JW at the door (which a child just opened) might be an unregistered sexual predator who's received all of a symbolic slap on the wrist from his church leaders.
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Author Nakerin
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At least that, yet I am pretty sure he didn't gave a shit or he would have just the disfellowshipping equivalent of a wrist slap...
Wouldn't be the first time.
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Author Fuzzy-mornin-teeth
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It absolutely does matter in a court of law, it's part of their "religious practices". Look up Montana CSA Jehovah's witnesses and you will find just such a case. The elders (JW clergy) didn't report an allegation of CSA, despite mandatory reporting laws. They used the clergy/penitent privilege loophole, just like the Catholics do. So even with the recording, they weren't legally obligated to report it. (Lovely little religion, isn't it. /s)
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I understand what you're saying, but calling all religions "cults" undermines the damage real cults do to people's lives. I think you would be interested in looking into the BITE model. It is criteria for what is/isnt a cult, created by Stephen Hassan. He is a seasoned a therapist specializing in helping people out of cults and cult deprogramming. Some religions don't meet criteria for it while some non religious movements do. Many ex cult members on YouTube (Telltale Athiest [ex JW], Jimmy Snow [ex Mormon], Genetically Modified Athiest [ex fundamentalist Christian]) have used it to gauge certain movements/religions and how they rank in the world of cults. Fundie Fridays is really amazing too, as her channel mainly focuses on fundamentalist Christian familes/movements, and her videos are quite well researched.
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The rape was recorded by the perpetrator who was using it to "prove" it wasn't rape.
The girl was forced to listen to it because the elders view premarital sex as a sin, so they wanted her to confess she had sinned so they could discipline her for it.
Jehovah's Witnesses have a "two witness rule" that means that if you accuse someone of a sin there needs to be another witness to it. So in this case the guy would have had to admit to the rape to form two witnesses to the sin. This has led to a loophole where rapists and child molestors can get away with their crimes within the church.
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Why isn’t this reported on the news? As an exJW this isn’t news to me but I wish mainstream news would report this and stories like this so people are aware of how toxic and dangerous this religion is.
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He was disfellowshipped
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GeForce RTX 3080 Review Megathread

GeForce RTX 3080 Review Megathread

GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition reviews are up.

Image Link - GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition

Reminder: Do NOT buy from 3rd Party Marketplace Seller on Ebay/Amazon/Newegg (unless you want to pay more). Assume all the 3rd party sellers are scalping. If it's not being sold by the actual retailer (e.g. Amazon selling on Amazon.com or Newegg selling on Newegg.com) then you should treat the product as sold out and wait.

Below is the compilation of all the reviews that have been posted so far. I will be updating this continuously throughout the day with the conclusion of each publications and any new review links. This will be sorted alphabetically.

Written Articles

Anandtech - No Anandtech review today. Will be added next week

Arstechnica

Instead, I'm confident in saying that the $699 RTX 3080 has handily dethroned the GTX 1080 Ti as the market's best expensive-but-attainable GPU. Its specific performance profile, achieved with serious hunger (320W) and a large-but-not-epic pool of RAM (10GB, albeit in the efficient GDDR6X profile), will let you rip and tear in 4K resolutions and in high-performing VR scenarios without requiring buy-in from game developers to toggle Nvidia's proprietary systems.
Simultaneously, this card's advances on the ray-tracing front make that realm's "medium" settings a no-brainer in applicable software, even without having to toggle Nvidia's DLSS upscaling system. So far, we haven't seen any software take advantage of Nvidia's newly advertised "RTX I/O" system, which is meant to more efficiently funnel 3D assets through the GPU without wasting CPU cycles. It's a proprietary Nvidia tech, limited only to its newest GPUs, so I'm not holding my breath expecting RTX I/O to make industry-wide waves in the immediate future.
But much of that proprietary "RTX" stuff from Turing, particularly ray tracing, will soon become an industry-wide standard, thanks to factors like the upcoming Windows 10 standard of DirectX 12 Ultimate and AMD's own aggressive entry into ray tracing (fueled in part by both major next-gen consoles this holiday season). What I once called the "RTX lottery ticket" is now a given, and the RTX 3080 is proof that you can have your 60fps-at-4K cake and eat your ray traced frosting, too.
Verdict: If you're itching to build a desktop PC in the $1,500-and-up range, you can finally expect proper bang for your $699 GPU buck. Buy.

Babeltechreviews

We are impressed with the Founders Edition of the RTX 3080 which has exceptional performance at Ultra 4K and at 2560×1440. For now, it stands alone as the fastest video card in the world and it has launched at $699 – the same price the RTX 2080 SUPER FE launched at, and $100 less expensive than the RTX 2080 at launch – and much less expensive compared to the $1199 RTX 2080 Ti FE which launched two years ago.
The Founders Edition of the RTX 3080 is well-built, solid, and good-looking, and it stays cool and quiet even when overclocked. The only nitpicks we have are that the shipping/display box is almost impossible to open after the card is removed, and that the 12-pin adapter cable is bulky and it looks out of place on such a great-looking card. Fortunately, EVGA has stepped up with a much less bulky cable that will aid meticulous builders for cable management.
If you currently game on an GTX 1080 Ti, you will do yourself a big favor by upgrading to a RTX 3080. For the same launch price, the RTX 3080 will give much better visuals for ray tracing, much higher overall performance, and DLSS 2.0 will allow for better performance for the games that use it. The RTX 3080 is a true 4K/60 FPS video card for most modern games. It well deserves BabelTechReviews Editor’s Choice Award.

Digital Foundry Article

Digital Foundry Video

The RTX 3080 is an important product. For two years now, the pinnacle of PC graphics technology has been defined by the Turing-based RTX 2080 Ti. It's fast, very fast. It's so fast in fact, that there's a strong argument that any resolutions below ultra HD or high resolution ultrawide won't see the GPU horsepower fully utilised on anything other than the fastest gaming CPU. And yet the RTX 3080 takes everything to the next level - you're looking at an average range of 65 to 80 per cent more performance up against 2080, and around 24 to 37 per cent more grunt than 2080 Ti. With ray tracing factored into the equation, the boosts can be even more significant.
And in a world where the console manufacturers have been bashful about telling us how much the next generation is actually going to cost, Nvidia coming straight out of the gate with $699/£650 pricing for a product so powerful is a massive statement - and delivering an upcoming RTX 3070 with 2080 Ti-level performance at Series X money may also give many pause: should they buy a new console or upgrade the PC they may already own?
There's a lot more to the RTX offering we've not looked at in this review either - the firm's commitment to streamers and broadcasting with bespoke tools is significant. We use the RTX voice tool all of the time to provide cleaner voiceovers in our video work, but it's clear that Nvidia is looking to push its AI hardware to deliver much more functionality both inside and outside of gaming. Software is often a value-added extra we don't consider, but there's a lot of interesting work happening here. My only criticism? Extra features are very, very welcome but the Nvidia GPU control panel is well past its sell-by date and really needs a fresh lick of paint and a ginormous speed-up.
It's unlikely that paying a bit more for electricity is likely to worry the kind of user willing to spend so much on a graphics card - and the 220W TDP for the upcoming RTX 3070 suggests that Nvidia knows that, throwing everything it possibly can at the more premium 3080 and 3090 where the kind of user likely to buy in at this level won't mind the 'performance at all costs' approach to the products. Certainly, I really enjoy using this card - I like using RTX 2080 Ti for 4K gaming and the RTX 3080 doesn't feel like an iterative upgrade. I can do more with it, I can feel the difference. Side-by-side with RTX 2080, it's almost a night and day improvement in many regards. But with that said, I still think the 20-series cards have much to offer: they don't become obsolete overnight, they're still strong performers and they have the complete next-gen feature set. And I suspect the real audience for this card lies elsewhere: there's still a lot of folks out there with a 10-series Pascal cards and as the graphs across these pages demonstrate, those products are starting to show their age - and in that respect, the new Ampere line looks like a highly compelling upgrade.

Guru3D

We feel it is safe to say that it's been worth the wait. Ampere as an architecture is nothing short of impressive. Combined with hyper-fast GDDR6X memory and a radical new cooling design, a new trend is set, as this product is seriously competing with the board partner cards. I mean, all registers are green, including rendering performance, cooling, and acoustic performance as well as the simple yet so crucial aesthetic feel. I do worry a little about the open fin structure versus dust. Next to that, you are going to yearn for a dedicated 12-pin power connector leading from the PSU and there is some coil whine going on. Of course, overall power consumption has increased really significantly. How important these things are to you, is for you to decide. The flipside of the coin is that you'll receive a product that will be dominant in that Ultra HD space. Your games average out anywhere from 60 to 100+ FPS, well, aside from Flight Simulator 2020 :)
Dropping down in resolutions does create other challenges; you'll be far less GPU bound, but then again, we do not expect you to purchase a GeForce RTX and play games at 1920x1080. Arbitrarily speaking, starting at a monitor resolution of 2560x1440, that's the domain where the GeForce RTX 3080 will start to shine. The raw Shading/rasterizer (read: regular rendered games) performance is staggering as this many Shader cores make a difference. The new generational architecture tweaks for ray-tracing and Tensor also is significant. Coming from the RTX 2080, the RTX 3080 exhibited a roughly 85% performance increase and that is going to bring Hybrid Ray-tracing tow higher resolutions. DX-R will remain to be massively demanding, of course, but when you can play Battlefield V in ultra HD with ray-tracing and DLSS enabled at over 70 FPS, well hey, I'm cool with that. Also, CUDA compute performance in Blender and V-Ray, OMG! The asking price for all this render performance is $699 USD, and that is the biggest GPU bottleneck for most people, especially with the upcoming consoles in the vicinity. However, there always has been a significant distinction between PC and console games; I suspect that will not be any different this time around. We bow to the Ampere architecture as it is impressive as, for those willing to spend the money on it, it's wholeheartedly recommended and eas an easy top pick.

Hexus

Nvidia latest Ampere architecture arrives in consumer graphics card space as the GeForce RTX 30-series GPUs. Initially comprised the RTX 3070, RTX 3080 and RTX 3090, debuting at different times over the course of the next month, they are primed to set new benchmark standards at the premium end of the market.
The largest, most powerful Ampere die is known as GA102, and it goes much bigger on floating-point cores yet ironically reduces the relative amount of silicon devoted to RT and Tensor cores when they've been firmly in the marketing headlights since being amalgamated into last-gen Turing two years ago.
Floating-point muscle is supported by oodles of bandwidth and general efficiencies across the chip. GA102 is a veritable monster with capability of pushing close to 40 TFLOPS of compute performance in unbridled form, clearly hinting at its datacentre provenance, from which Nvidia moulds gaming graphics.
GeForce RTX 3080 takes GA102 as its performance base but retains approximately 85 percent of its throughput potential through the use of 68 out of a possible 84 SMs. The backend, meanwhile, sacrifices width and a modicum of speed compared to a full-fat layout, but be in no doubt, RTX 3080 is a supremely fast card in its own right.
Fast enough, actually, to smash the last-gen GeForce RTX 2080 Super with which, for now, it shares a $699/£649 price tag. It's typically over 50 percent speedier, rising to 80 percent in a best-case scenario, and there's enough silicon artillery to roundly defeat the $1,199 RTX 2080 Ti in every game. RTX 3080 heralds a step-change in performance at the $699 price point.
More pragmatically, RTX 3080 delivers on the promise of 4K gaming at a fluid 60fps and, equally important for Nvidia's ambitions, for the first time, the ability to render at the same level with raytracing and DLSS turned on. That's a big deal.
The new GPU's frequency/voltage sweetspot occurs at a higher wattage than we're accustomed to in the consumer space, most likely resulting from using 8nm Samsung instead of 7nm TSMC. 320W requires a new FE cooler - and pretty it is - and again speaks to the high-performance datacentre characteristics baked into Ampere. The wattage isn't a problem for any premium gaming PC, of course, but it's worth knowing that availing oneself of excellent performance requires extra wick. Even so, RTX 3080 tops the bang4buck and energy efficiency charts.
There is plenty to like here. GeForce RTX 3080 represents true 4K60 max-your-settings gameplay at an unexpectedly low $699. It's hard to argue against performance or value, so we won't. All that's left to say is that if you want the fastest GPU money can currently buy, at least for the next week, GeForce RTX 3080 provides it with alarmingly good value.

Hot Hardware

Summarizing the new GeForce RTX 3080's performance is as simple as could be -- it is the fastest GPU we have tested to date, across the board, period. Regardless of the game, application, or benchmark we used, the GeForce RTX 3080 put up the best scores of the bunch, often more than doubling the performance of AMD's current flagship Radeon RX 5700 XT. Despite its much lower introductory price, the GeForce RTX 3080 even skunked the Titan RTX and GeForce RTX 2080 Ti by relatively large margins. The bottom line is, NVIDIA's got an absolutely stellar-performing GPU on its hands, and the GeForce RTX 3080 isn't even the best Ampere has to offer -- the upcoming GeForce RTX 3090 is bigger and burlier across the board.
We have been hearing rumblings of Ampere's monster performance for months. Even before CES, a couple of board partners hinted that NVIDIA had lofty goals for Ampere and the company has delivered in spades. The GeForce RTX 3080 is a beast. We suspect peak power consumption is going to be a concern for some users, but in practice, for us at least, it is a non-issue. Thanks to the newly engineered cooling solution, the GeForce RTX 3080 runs cool and quiet in real-world conditions. Sure, your rig might put out a bit more heat, but we suspect most users aren't going to care with a GPU that performs as well as the RTX 3080 does.
Of course, we have yet to see what the GeForce RTX 3090 can do and AMD has announced that is RDNA2-based Radeon RX 6000 series will be unveiled in a few weeks. Looking back through our numbers, "Big Navi" will have to offer more than 2X the performance of a Radeon RX 5700 XT to be in the same class as the GeForce RTX 3080. Could AMD do it? Sure, it's possible. But based on the company's somewhat conservative decisions of the last few generations, we don't think its targets are quite that aggressive. We'll know for sure soon enough though.
Today, the spotlight shines on NVIDIA. The GeForce RTX 3080 is nothing short of impressive. At its expected $700-ish price point (depending on the model), there is nothing that can come even close to touching it. The new NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 is an easy Editor's Choice. If you're buying a new GPU in its price range, there is no other choice currently.

Igor's Lab

It should not be an advertising sales event, but a test that is as objective and fair as possible, even if the results are still so solid that you have to fight a bit with the “want to have” factor in the gaming sector. Especially at higher resolutions, this card is a real board, because even if the lead over the GeForce RTX 2080 Super doesn’t always turn out to be in high double digits, it’s always enough to virtually reach the next quality level in playability. Right stop of many quality controllers included. Particularly if the games of the GeForce RTX 3080 and the new architecture lie, are also sometimes up to 80% increase compared to the RTX 2080 super in it and a RTX 2080 Ti is beaten with almost 40%. This too must be noted if one wants to be fair. But it is only the beginning and not generally enforceable with the game engines, unfortunately.
It is also exactly the increase, because you can, for example. has always demanded when playing in Ultra-HD. Here you go, here’s an offer for it. The fact that the RAM with its 10 GB could become scarce from time to time, at the latest in Ultra-HD, is due to the design by NVIDIA and also by many game manufacturers, who fill up with data exactly what can be filled up. Which of course would not be a blanket apology and thus the only point of criticism. It should have been doubled by now, price point or no price point.

KitGuru Article

KitGuru Video

There’s no two ways about it. Nvidia’s RTX 3080 is a stunning return to form for the manufacturer, delivering hugely impressive gen-on-gen gains compared to the RTX 20-series that debuted two years ago. The 3080 is the fastest graphics card we have ever tested (though the RTX 3090 will have something to say about that next week), and it is delivered at almost half the price of last generation’s flagship, the RTX 2080 Ti.
The most disappointing aspect of the RTX 20-series was its marginal improvements in terms of traditional raster performance. Ray tracing aside, unless you were willing to pay the big bucks for the 2080 Ti, we didn’t get any GPUs that delivered a big generational jump in performance. It seems Nvidia took that disappointment as a challenge; with the RTX 3080, Nvidia has delivered a huge jump forward.
That’s because, on average, the RTX 3080 improves on the RTX 2080 by 68% at 4K resolution, while it’s also 31% faster than the RTX 2080 Ti and 58% faster than the 2080 Super. Anyone who held onto a GTX 1080 Ti will also see performance increases to the tune of 90%, again at 4K. Across the aisle, AMD is now in real need of Big Navi to deliver the goods when it arrives on October 28, as the 3080 crushes the Radeon VII by 86% and it’s over twice as fast as the RX 5700 XT, again at 4K.
The margins of victory for the RTX 3080 do change as we step down in resolution – it’s 31% faster than a 2080 Ti at 4K, 25% faster at 1440p and 18% faster at 1080p. The latter resolution proved a significant problem on a number of occasions due to CPU bottlenecks. Even with an i9-10900K running at 5.1GHz, the CPU was holding the 3080 back by a significant margin in at least 5 of the 11 titles we tested today. Even where the bottlenecks weren’t as significant, relative gains versus the 2080 Ti were lower at 1080p than 1440p or 4K, in every single game we tested. Gamers looking to buy this GPU will certainly get the most out of it at 4K, though a 55% increase in performance over the RTX 2080 at 1440p shows high refresh rate WQHD users will also get their money’s worth.
However you slice it, RTX 3080 is a huge step forward from Turing. Of course, it is easy to be cynical and point out the fact that Turing hardly improved on Pascal in terms of traditional raster performance at this price point, and that does make Ampere look more attractive than it should. There may be an element of truth there, but even the gains versus Pascal look impressive considering the GTX 1080 Ti came out three and a half years ago. The 3080 is 90% faster on average at 4K, but over 120% faster in certain titles like Control and The Division 2.
It’s also good to see RTX performance taking a significant stride forward. The improvements to the RT cores and overall architecture mean relative performance with RT on scales slightly better than with it off – gains of around 35-40% compared to the 2080 Ti were typical in our testing. Of course, enabling the technology still results in a significant hit to performance, but as 3080 has pushed things so far forward, the end result isn’t nearly as bad as it was with Turing. In Shadow of the Tomb Raider, for instance, we saw average frame rates hitting nearly 90FPS at 1440p with RTX set to Ultra, while Metro Exodus was averaging over 110FPS at the same resolution, again with RTX set to Ultra.

OC3D

The performance of Nvidia's RTX 3080 is unquestionably impressive. Even making allowances for the fact that a few of our games get a bit grumpy about both ray tracing and DLSS in various combinations, preferring an everything on or everything off approach (it is true for pre-DLSS 2.0 titles). Another factor that's worth considering is that Nvidia's current pre-release drivers are missing some elements that allow us to overclock things properly. Regardless, the amount of performance available from the card in a simple plug-and-go form is so great that anyone who has recently purchased any of the RTX 2xxx cards will be left green with envy.
We all knew that the RTX 2080 set were supremely good, but they were always stupidly expensive. Here you have a card which is, right now, the fastest card on the planet and yet is so affordable that you could grab a 2TB M.2 NVMe drive and still save on the price of an RTX 2080 Ti. Or, if you're running an X570 system like we are, it is enough of a saving that if you'd budgeted for a Ryzen 3 3300X and RTX 2080 Ti setup you could upgrade that CPU to a Ryzen 9 3950X without needing to spend any extra money. That's bananas.
DLSS is massively impressive too. Just cast your eye across our DLSS off and DLSS on results, it's clear that you can gain massive FPS boosts yet without compromising image quality. If like us, you're old enough to remember the early days of 3D games, you'll know that lowering your game resolution is the easiest way to improve FPS, but turning everything blurry in the process. DLSS 2.0 gives you higher frame rates and higher image quality. It's witchcraft.
Thus, as we said at the start, the RTX 3080 FE is RTX 2080 Ti besting performance for the price of an RTX 2080 Super, and why you haven't already left to buy one, we don't know. You owe it to yourself. If the graphics card is outside of your price range, we know for a fact that cheaper Ampere cards are on the horizon.

PC Perspective

NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition is the fastest graphics card I’ve ever tested, and it’s an amazing product for the money. Now, actually buying one for $699 might require devine intervention, but we don’t really know until they go on sale.
We know demand will be there because performance is just so damn impressive with this card. No, the leap in performance isn’t 2x over the RTX 2080 outside of certain testing scenarios, but it’s always significant – often 60% or greater. The RTX 2080 was soundly beaten in these benchmarks.
I’ll be honest here. The RTX 2080 was a letdown. The Turing launch left a lot of gaming frustrated, and Pascal continued to be the architecture of choice for most GeForce gamers. RTX made for an awesome demo, but outside of a few titles that was about it. DLSS took time to improve, and without it full native rendering with real-time ray tracing was too expensive from a performance standpoint.
I feel like the ray tracing story has changed, if the RTX 3080 is any indication. Suddenly I’m really interested in games that use more RTX features, and excited about the prospect of the RTX 3090’s performance in this department. Frame rates – even without DLSS – are suddenly playable even at very high settings, and the visuals in some of the games and demos are stunning.
With the RTX 3080 we finally have a graphics card that redefines the $699 performance level in a way that eclipses even the GTX 1080 Ti. It’s an exciting time to be an enthusiast, and I can’t wait to get my hands on the RTX 3070 – and (fingers crossed) the RTX 3090 as well.

PC World

Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said that Ampere is GeForce’s greatest generational leap ever, and he wasn’t kidding. Remember being blown away when the GTX 1080 was 60 to 70 percent faster than the GTX 980, even with its slightly higher price? The GeForce RTX 3080 spits out frames up to 80 percent faster in several games, and 60 percent higher in the others. It’s roughly 30 percent faster than the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, the $1,200 previous-gen flagship, and a ridonkulous 100 to 160 percent faster than the older GeForce GTX 1080. All at the exact same $700 price tag as the RTX 2080.
The promises were true. This thing is an absolute monster. Sometimes it’s faster at 4K than the RTX 2080 is at 1440p. Ludicrous.
There are no games where the GeForce RTX 3080 fails to clear a 60-frames-per-second average at 4K resolution with all possible visuals effects turned on. The exception is the ridiculously strenuous Total War: Troy, which averages 56 fps (and feels just fine at even lower speeds as a strategy game). Most games go significantly faster than that. Other than Troy, again, no games fall below 100 fps at 1440p resolution with everything maxed out. Again, Total War again falls just shy, at 98 fps, and again, most games go significantly faster than that. If you’re fine bumping graphics down to high, games fly along even faster in our off-the-cuff tests. No graphics card has come close to this level of performance before.
The “worst” (but still massive) results come in CPU-bound or older DX11 titles. The Ampere architecture screams when unleashed on properly optimized games that were built for DirectX 12 or Vulkan. More and more of those are being published these days, and all ray-traced games require DX12. The impact of ray tracing and DLSS doesn’t appear to be lessened despite the next-gen RT and tensor cores, but the RTX 3080 is so fast, it doesn’t matter. You can play ray traced games at 1440p, and even 4K now.

TechGage

As we saw across most of these results, the performance gains seen with the new generation Ampere GeForces is simply incredible. There’s no other way to say it. The strong performance seen because of the RT cores makes AMD’s next move an important one. We’ve already known for ages that the new consoles all use ray tracing, and those are of course built with AMD Radeon GPUs. How that will all carry over to the desktop, we’re not sure, but we will gain a better understanding in late October when AMD makes its RDNA2 “Big Navi” announcement.
Even in the most modest of cases, the RTX 3080 outperformed the last-gen TITAN RTX by around 10%, and that’s not even the comparison card we should be choosing. That wouldn’t even be the 2080 Ti, which NVIDIA has said the RTX 3080 would easily beat out. The best comparison would be the 2080 SUPER, which also cost $699 ahead of this launch. Compared to that card, the RTX 3080 simply slays. We do not see gains like these come around to GPUs all too often.
As mentioned before, the only limitation we can think of with this card on the creator side is the 10GB frame buffer, but we don’t see that being a common complaint anytime soon. For those with the biggest needs, the 24GB frame buffer on the RTX 3090 should solve your quandary. Hopefully NVIDIA has other SKUs planned that will help fill that 10GB~24GB void (of course it does).
While this article took care of the ProViz aspect of the new GeForce RTX 3080, a forthcoming article will take an in-depth look at gaming, which will include a number of new RTX-infused titles. Stay tuned.

Techpowerup

Averaged over our whole benchmarking suite, at 4K resolution, the GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition is 66% faster than the RTX 2080 that it replaces (both launched at $699). NVIDIA's new card even beats last generation's flagship the RTX 2080 Ti, by a whopping 31%! AMD's Radeon RX 5700 XT is half as fast as the RTX 3080. Yup, 3080 is +100% 5700 XT performance—AMD better get things right with RDNA2. If you've held out on a GTX 1080 Ti until now, congrats, now is the right time to upgrade. RTX 3080 Ti will double your FPS, and give you all the latest techs and features like raytracing and DLSS.
When looking at lower resolutions, the lead of the RTX 3080 shrinks considerably, +51% over RTX 2080 at 1440p, +35% at 1080p. The reason is that with so much GPU horsepower, games are becoming increasingly CPU limited. A posterchild for that is Anno 1800—at lower resolution all cards are bunched up against an invisible performance wall, around 68 FPS in this case, that's the CPU limit. We're already on a very fast CPU, Ryzen won't run any faster either. We've tested this extensively in our RTX 3080: 10900K vs 3900XT review that just went up, too. Back to Anno 1800, 1080p is totally CPU limited on all high-end cards, after switching to 1440p, most comparison cards fall back in FPS, because their GPU isn't fast enough, so they become GPU limited. The only exception are RTX 2080 Ti and RTX 3080, which both achieve 67 FPS at 1440p—still CPU limited. When switching to 4K, RTX 2080 Ti falls back to 46 FPS, RTX 3080 still seems quite CPU limited at 63 FPS. While unfortunate, CPU limits are a reality of gaming—RTX 3080 will not magically give you 360 FPS in all games—no graphics card can. CPU power, game engines and developers have to catch up with the new performance first.
GeForce RTX 3080 is perfect for 4K gaming. It's able to exceed 60 FPS in nearly all titles, the only exception in our test suite is Control, which runs at 48 FPS. NVIDIA does have one ace up their sleeve: DLSS, which renders the game at lower resolution and upscales the frame to your native monitor resolution. While traditional upscaling comes with blurriness and artifacts, NVIDIA DLSS uses AI to improve the scaling. The algorithm has improved over the years, but the basic concept remains. Machine learning is used to train a model to excel at upscaling of game content. While only few games support DLSS at this time, the numbers are growing quickly.
NVIDIA has always been criticized for high pricing in the past, it seems they listened to feedback. The RTX 3080 Founders Edition retails at $699, which an extremely competitive price. Remember, RTX 3080 is twice as fast as RX 5700 XT ($370), 31% faster than RTX 2080 Ti ($1000+). It seems that NVIDIA is concerned mostly with the new consoles, which will bring high-fidelity gaming to the masses at prices around $500. Charging $1000 for a graphics card will be tough sell for many, when they can have a whole gaming console for $500. At the RTX 3080's price point there really is no alternative, maybe a used RTX 2080 Ti at bargain prices? Not sure, definitely nothing that AMD offers at this time. We are working on several reviews of RTX 3080 custom-designs from board partners, the reviews will be up very soon. It will be interesting to see if their cards will be able to match or exceed the RTX 3080 Founders Edition. NVIDIA set the bar very high.

The FPS Review

Compared to the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti at 1440p the GeForce RTX 3080 FE averages an increase in performance of 20% over the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FE. The Far Cry 5 and FS 2020 numbers bring that average down a lot, if we remove those two then the average is 24%. At 4K the GeForce RTX 3080 FE averages 25% faster than the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FE. The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FE video card was a $1200 video card, now for $500 less at $699 you can have performance that is 20-25% faster than the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FE, for less money. That is advancement, again, all without including Ray Tracing or DLSS into the mix, pure rasterization.
Point being? Rasterization Performance improvement is there on the GeForce RTX 3080 FE, the facts speak the truth.
As you can see, with Ray Tracing Enabled the performance advantages with GeForce RTX 3080 FE are even higher than without Ray Tracing. The average performance increase at 1440p compared to the RTX 2080 FE is 77%. The average performance increase at 4K compared to the RTX 2080 FE is 84%. The GeForce RTX 3080 FE has a very large leap over the GeForce RTX 2080 FE with Ray Tracing turned on. Compared to the RTX 2080 Ti FE the RTX 3080 FE at 1440p averages 33% faster and at 4K it is 32% faster. This proves that Ray Tracing performance is vastly improved.
At the end of the day, the NVIDIA Ampere architecture is superior to last generation’s Pascal architecture. The node has improved from the last generation, and the architecture is now keyed more specifically to floating-point performance, Ray Tracing performance, and machine learning/AI performance via Tensor Cores. The architecture also supports some interesting new technologies we are looking forward to such as RTX I/O. It has future bandwidth support in mind with PCI-Express 4.0.
Rasterization, Ray Tracing, and Machine Learning are all aspects of modern-day GPUs, and they all matter moving forward for gaming. In traditional gaming (rasterized performance) the GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition gives us a big upgrade in performance compared to the GeForce RTX 2080 Founders Edition it is replacing. We see benefits depend on the game, with some as high as 80+% and most averaging around 50-60% advantage, depending on the resolution. In addition, the GeForce RTX 3080 FE also provides 20-25% faster performance than the previous fastest video card, the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. When you apply Ray Tracing, the advantages in performance grow even more. Apply DLSS on top of that and Ray Tracing is playable in games at 4K now, and most definitely 1440p.
At $699 the GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition video card offers gamers a lot of gaming performance and features that will improve the gameplay experience. At the end of the day the gameplay experience is most important, and the GeForce RTX 3080 FE has the ability to transform that gameplay experience with features like Ray Tracing and DLSS. With the performance it brings, those features are playable. It also offers the fastest performance around, and even provides better performance than the fastest video card of the last generation. Whether you play games without Ray Tracing and DLSS, or you play games with, this video card will provide the best gameplay experience.

Tomshardware

The GeForce RTX 3080 is here, right now, and priced pretty reasonably considering the performance it offers. Last month, you could have spent $2,500 on dual RTX 2080 Ti cards hooked up via NVLink, only to find that multi-GPU support in games is largely dead, particularly in new releases. Now, for $700, you get 30% better performance than the outgoing RTX 2080 Ti and pocket $500 in savings. That's assuming you can find an RTX 3080 in stock.
Let's also be clear that the RTX 3080 is primarily for high-resolution gaming. Yes, you can run 1440p with RTX effects, and it will be a good fit. It's a better fit for 4K gaming. Don't bother with it if you're using a 1080p display, as you could get nearly the same level of performance with a lesser GPU. Which brings us to the next option: Wait for the RTX 3070 or RX 6800 XT (whatever AMD's $400-$500 option ends up being called).
The RTX 3070 should still be plenty fast for 1440p gaming, and more than fast enough for 1080p — just like the RTX 2080 Ti. Nvidia says it will perform "better than the 2080 Ti," though we take that marketing-speak with a scoop of salt. Out of all the benchmarks we ran, there was only one (Doom Eternal) where the 3080 actually doubled the 2080's performance.
Anyway, saving $200 and buying a 3070 could make a lot of sense. It's interesting to note that the RTX 3070 is a substantial step down from the RTX 3080, however. The 3080 has 48% more GPU, RT, and Tensor cores, it has 20% more memory, and the memory is clocked 36% higher. That's a big enough gap that we could see an RTX 3070 Ti down the road, but at what price? Alternatively, wait and see what AMD's Navi 2x / RX 6000 GPUs can do, which we'll hear about more on October 28.
The bottom line is that the RTX 3080 is the new high-end gaming champion, delivering truly next-gen performance without a massive increase in price. If you've been sitting on a GTX 1080 Ti or lower, waiting for a good time to upgrade, that time has arrived. The only remaining question is just how competitive AMD's RX 6000, aka Big Navi, will be. Even with 80 CUs, on paper, it looks like Nvidia's RTX 3080 may trump the top Navi 2x cards, thanks to GDDR6X and the doubling down on FP32 capability. AMD might offer 16GB of memory, but it's probably going to be paired with a 256-bit bus and clocked quite a bit lower than 19 Gbps, which may limit performance.

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