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So let's talk about commercializing Teamviewer

So recently TV has been advertising on FB, the comments section is a shit storm with mostly people criticizing Teamviewer. Let me highlight somethings about what I learned and theorized from the comments.

Team viewer is awesome.
- Simple as that. I myself have been using it for years. It is still one of the solutions that I prefer despite having free alternatives I always stick to it. Many other people also love using TV. It is so widely used that IT illiterate people know about it since IT support would usually request the user to download TV and WhatsApp them their screen. Heck now my colleagues send me TV screenshots whenever they have IT problems regardless if I'm even free to help or not.
- There are many features that TV has that people want.

Team viewer is purposefully inconveniencing us to force us to subscribe.
- To the Devs of TV, please consider this, who are your target users? The people who would actually pay for your services? IT people. Have you considered the general IQ of an adept IT person? We are not dumb. Some people will defend your recent "TV has detected that you are using TV for commercial use" as a bug, but many people can see right through your strong arming strategy. I know people who have been using TV for commercial use all these years without any hitch until a few weeks ago where they were flagged for using it commercially. TV did give a few minutes of usage but also had a bug which would cause people to only be logged in for SECONDS then being disconnected and could only reconnect after a 3 minute timer has passed. For those that used TV for personal use, they COULD write in to TV to report that they are indeed using it for personal use and dispute that they have been wrongly flagged. To which many have yet to receive any support from TV to "unbar" their usage.
- Reminder, we're not dumb people, we know what you're doing and why you're doing this
- On another hand, I don't blame them for doing this. Many people are freeloading off their software and not paying a cent. Trust me I know ;) however, the repercussions are providing a negative impact on TV

Subscription costs outweighs the convenience provided
- First, lets see how much a free user has to pay should they realize that they need the software to provide IT support to more users. Free cost = 0 Dollar, Cheapest paid = 300 USD a year (25 USD/monthly). Phew that's a HUGE difference.
- Let's look back at why people use TV. I'll summarize: ITS BLOODY CONVENIENT. Second: because it WAS FREE (more or less).
- So let's have a look. On one hand, Free. On another, 300 USD a year. Ouch. 300 USD really stings. I do share a sentiment that TV developers SHOULD get paid for their efforts, but for that cost? I would do TV a service to remind them. You are not a monopoly. There are TONS of free alternatives. Heck, look at Adobe. They have a huge monopoly of the design software market yet their monthly fees of a single TITAN of a software such as Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop IS CHEAPER than a subscription to TV. On top of that, designers probably use the software DAILY while most IT support probably use TV monthly and sometimes even less than that, yeah sure some may use it WEEKLY but in many cases NOT DAILY. All in all there is no package that TV provides that caters for such people.
- I really don't like using phrases like "get off your high horse" but in TV's case, they are really forgetting that their software is not a premium software that we MUST use. It is our choice.
- I myself and many others DO NOT like to use alternatives as they are troublesome but if the lost of convenience means that we can have cost saving, we WILL take it.
- Some people may have the "if you can't afford a Ferrari, don't buy a Ferarri" statement as a defence. Yeah, feel free to do so, just bear in mind that those who don't buy Ferrari are now not even looking at the Ferarri and are using alternates.

Community backlash is expected
- Reading through the comments on the FB advertisement, it leads me to theorize that instead of positively selling the TV brand, they have created an avenue for disgruntled users to advise each other on getting other free alternatives. Much backfire.
- As many youtubers would know. Comments section can be cancerous, but so far I've read MANY civil comments on the TV FB advert. Ideas spread, when people find commonality their viewpoints can change and strengthen. TV now seems like an evil corporation.
- Offnote/backhanded personal comment: I really give my hats off to TV's management/advertising department who probably have convinced the higher ups to attempt this strategy. Sadly, these people have damaged your brand significantly more.

It's not the end
- I myself would prefer to keep using TV. I do want to support TV and their developers and I believe there are many others with the same mindset. However, the current pricing is waaaay to high. Sure you may have a few "whales" who support your software. These people might be rare. To be honest, if I were a manager of a company, if someone proposed getting a Teamviewer subscription, I would simply ask them, what are the alternatives? What are the pros and cons. It's really not easy to justify getting a TV subscription.

My humble suggestion
- There are 2 target market that TV can target. One are large corporations which can support TV's high subscription. Another is small business owners/IT Enthusiasts which may be enticed to support TV if the subscription is more reasonable. In other words, TV can either choose BIG MONEY from few sources or SMALL money from many sources. I do not have the numbers, but I'm guessing, small money from many sources, when added up can potentially be MORE lucrative. On top of that, people in IT do explore alternatives and DO talk. It is a matter of time before large company's look into cost cutting and TV might be on the chopping block. Anyway, since you guys already have pricing for one target, let me suggest another pricing for the small fish.
- First, you have to identify, what people use TV for? IT support? Remote control? My best guess that people who need TV the most are those who provide IT support. How many devices and for how long? These questions will provide different results depending on who you ask. Some companies have 10-20 PCs to support but may only require a few hours each month whereas some users prefer to stay connected to 1-2 devices for long periods. How do you cater for so many variables?

TIME. Make a new subscription model. Infinite number of connections and Infinite number of devices but the subscription is based on TIME. This would be a strong selling point as I believe this is a fair way to charge people for TV. I don't want to buy 2 x USD 25 monthly subscription to support 10 devices that I connect remotely for less than 5 hours an ENTIRE YEAR. Using time as a standard, having multiple connections will eat their TIME resource faster so that heavy users consume their subscription faster while light user will have much time leftover.

So how would I actually price it? 120 USD for 300 hours, this translates to 25 hours over 12 months. This is what I believe is a cost that company's are more willing to swallow. Also make it so that these hours do not expire, this way people who use TV very infrequently have much value for their money.

Just my humble 2 cents. I don't know if my idea will work but I'm have enough passion to try writing about it. I mean like, look at the alternatives:
Anydesk
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Windows remote desktop

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